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Council Meeting

January 14th

Pond traveling, but not here

Power Point presentation

 

 

 

Gave Power Point Presentation to Council

Here is the National web site

http://www.communitiesinbloom.ca/

 

And the BC site

http://www.bccommunitiesinbloom.ca/

 

What was this Bylaw intended to do?—Issues that came up during discussions previous meetings

1 Kinney concern: excrement on street

2 Kinney: dogs tied & left on downtown streets

3 Kinney: safety children & elderly

4 Cote’ – dog attack while bicycling – on leash

5 Other: putative drug dealer’s Pit Bulls etc

6 Postal carriers: dog attacks while on property

7 Other  ‘Off leash areas’

Thorkelson found few supporters on Council:

 

‘Restricted breeds’ = pit bulls of various kinds

Debate/ discussion mainly over ‘restricted breeds’ and the amounts to be charged licenses and pound etc

Joy wanted to revisit the discussion from public input where several suggested there were no ‘bad’ dogs just ‘bad owners’ – contrast this with the intent of ‘restricted breeds’ where some dogs seen as genetically predisposed to biting, attacking etc.

The background material in Agenda package easily refuted ‘only bad people’ argument using court cases etc – essentially pit bulls have been bred for over 100 years to be aggressive – and it has worked –

See this web site for examples of the legal, ethological literature ---

 

 How much to Pay?

Again Thorkelson made several suggestions to reduce or gradually enact the various rates – all failed to gain support; the agenda package listed 15 BC municipalities – and all 15 made some provision for restricted breeds or Dangerous dogs

 

Joy won this one

Person buying one of the more expensive licenses won’t have to pay extra 15$ for sign, but it will come along with the 200$ license

 

No Debate of issue by Council

‘Dangerous dog’ vs ‘Vicious dog’

As Stated in my previous, the Community Charter defines dangerous dogs and leaves to municipalities to refine the concept by defining ‘vicious dogs’ (if they so wish)--- The definition above may or may not be adequate—but it was not debated ---

‘Records of Municipality’ ---

presumably in a written complaint or a bylaw officer report

 

Who knows what import of ‘to the knowledge of owner’? – I can see it now – an owner comes in and says ‘my dog has just harassed someone and I would like to report it so I can pay 150$ more license fee’ ---

 

Still there has to be some process here as a complaint of ‘harassment’ should not trigger ‘vicious dog’ label until all sides of incident(s) heard

 

Does the Bylaw meet its ‘objectives?

(for my guess at ‘objectives’ see above)

1 Excrement is a no no when off ones own property

2, 3, 4 – Article # 402 seems to say no dog may be off owners property without a leash and the owner ‘attached’ – thus no tying up while in stores; etc

 

5, The most effective part of this Bylaw is aimed at Pit Bulls (putative drug dealers) – thus Rotweilers, Wolf hybrids, etc not mentioned

6 – it is not clear if the list of dogs that postal carriers have will become part of ‘vicious dog’ list of city – if it does then they will be protected – if it requires to be ‘proven’ in each case—then prospects dim

Too bad there was not more discussion at Council

Over next few days will report on OCP, etc

And later provide over view of meeting

 

Created by LG on 16/1/2008

Last updated on Friday, January 18, 2008